1 00:00:06,940 --> 00:00:05,390 a good afternoon to everyone it's a bit 2 00:00:10,790 --> 00:00:06,950 of a change of tempo 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:10,800 I've been listening to wonderful talks 4 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:14,490 and very precise simple and concise 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:17,460 terms and now we move into a domain 6 00:00:22,820 --> 00:00:19,770 that's a little more philosophy and I 7 00:00:24,439 --> 00:00:22,830 hope to be just as precise but for me 8 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:24,449 it's a little more difficult and more 9 00:00:29,990 --> 00:00:27,000 evil it's difficult anyway we'll see how 10 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:30,000 it goes the subject intent and the 11 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:33,840 process of becoming conscious and the as 12 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:38,430 this subject is a vast subject the hope 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:40,980 I have is of going into one small 14 00:00:46,639 --> 00:00:43,890 element of shining a light in in one 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:46,649 small area of it which is the area of 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:49,610 concept formation how do we form 17 00:00:57,049 --> 00:00:54,930 concepts what are concepts and if if we 18 00:00:59,630 --> 00:00:57,059 can just handle that little bit because 19 00:01:02,090 --> 00:00:59,640 it's not it's quite in the center of 20 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:02,100 things since there's it's about the 21 00:01:07,039 --> 00:01:04,350 relationship between subject and its 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:07,049 object the knower and the known the 23 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:12,570 observer and the observed so the role of 24 00:01:18,710 --> 00:01:16,470 intent in concept formation intent this 25 00:01:20,530 --> 00:01:18,720 is what we'll be talking about intent 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:20,540 what is it 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:26,130 concepts how do they arise just a brief 28 00:01:33,890 --> 00:01:30,090 look at intent and causality and some 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:33,900 implications of it all now as a starting 30 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:38,490 point I want to take a letter to the new 31 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:41,180 scientist in the most recent edition 32 00:01:46,399 --> 00:01:44,369 that was a short letter that was 33 00:01:48,350 --> 00:01:46,409 referring to an article that was there 34 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:48,360 earlier but that was published earlier 35 00:01:57,380 --> 00:01:51,990 by David Bainbridge and this is what the 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:01:57,390 letter said David brain bridge 37 00:02:02,899 --> 00:02:00,450 description of consciousness including 38 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:02,909 for example the fact that we do not know 39 00:02:08,950 --> 00:02:05,329 where in the brain consciousness happens 40 00:02:14,620 --> 00:02:11,260 scott mccloud in his book understanding 41 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:14,630 comics describes the comics story as 42 00:02:22,270 --> 00:02:16,910 whatever is happening in the blank 43 00:02:24,970 --> 00:02:22,280 spaces between the panels and he goes I 44 00:02:28,540 --> 00:02:24,980 want to say this whoops sorry 45 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:28,550 what if in our minds what of our minds 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:32,030 function like a comic they snap pictures 47 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:34,970 and our consciousness is simply the 48 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:37,160 story the mind construct surround these 49 00:02:55,210 --> 00:02:52,390 now I pick up three points from this one 50 00:02:58,630 --> 00:02:55,220 point seems to be the suggestion that 51 00:03:01,750 --> 00:02:58,640 the crucial part is happening outside of 52 00:03:07,510 --> 00:03:01,760 consciousness not in the conscious mind 53 00:03:11,950 --> 00:03:07,520 the second point that I consider is the 54 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:11,960 fact that the mind is consciousness and 55 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:17,210 unconsciousness it's one system working 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:20,330 apparently in two manners this is not 57 00:03:26,260 --> 00:03:23,570 there directly stated it's not denied 58 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:26,270 and not stated in this and the third 59 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:29,320 point is the point that's left out and 60 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:32,480 it's left out very commonly in 61 00:03:40,750 --> 00:03:36,500 discussions of this sort and that is the 62 00:03:45,190 --> 00:03:40,760 question of intent and the implication 63 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:45,200 of intent in this whole in in in in in 64 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:52,610 the working of the mind so a let's move 65 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:53,140 there 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:03:58,400 what is intent let's say you have the 67 00:04:07,090 --> 00:04:03,530 intent to overtake a vehicle on the road 68 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:07,100 you want to pass someone up where is 69 00:04:13,180 --> 00:04:09,680 that intent you might have the thought 70 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:13,190 in your mind but the thought isn't yet 71 00:04:23,710 --> 00:04:21,490 the intent is somewhere deeper the 72 00:04:28,270 --> 00:04:23,720 intent to overtake is something you feel 73 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:28,280 more viscerally you have a muscle 74 00:04:32,380 --> 00:04:30,320 tension you have maybe a facial 75 00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:32,390 expression that goes with it you clasp 76 00:04:38,050 --> 00:04:35,270 the the the wheel a little tighter the 77 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:38,060 driving wheel and so forth it works 78 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:39,770 through the whole muscular system and 79 00:04:46,510 --> 00:04:43,490 the maybe the blood and the heart and in 80 00:04:49,030 --> 00:04:46,520 the end of it all if we're looking for 81 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:49,040 the origin of intent we've got to go 82 00:05:00,610 --> 00:04:54,860 into maybe every cell of the body on the 83 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:00,620 other hand if we look for the outcome 84 00:05:08,290 --> 00:05:05,320 the objective of intent it's very easy 85 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:08,300 the objective of it then to overtake is 86 00:05:15,270 --> 00:05:13,190 to overtake if the or Europe if you have 87 00:05:18,670 --> 00:05:15,280 the intent to stand up the objective is 88 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:18,680 if you stand up if you have the intent 89 00:05:25,390 --> 00:05:23,090 to be home at seven o'clock the intent 90 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:25,400 in other words we name it by its 91 00:05:33,490 --> 00:05:27,890 endpoint by the outcome which is 92 00:05:36,909 --> 00:05:33,500 singular and the origin of intent sort 93 00:05:40,330 --> 00:05:36,919 of gets lost it goes it multiplies 94 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:40,340 becomes its mal its multi-pronged going 95 00:05:46,810 --> 00:05:43,970 back a very rough diagram we can just 96 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:46,820 think of intent the outcome on on the 97 00:05:53,530 --> 00:05:50,930 right is singular and as we go back 98 00:06:07,770 --> 00:05:53,540 it sort of dissipates into the whole 99 00:06:22,630 --> 00:06:19,090 hey wait you wait here what what was in 100 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:22,640 your mind well as doing that what was 101 00:06:31,180 --> 00:06:26,690 happening what did you think while I'm 102 00:06:33,430 --> 00:06:31,190 doing that wait wait yes what what was 103 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:33,440 going on now I could ask this but we're 104 00:06:37,660 --> 00:06:35,090 not going to manage in 20 minutes 105 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:37,670 so what I do is very quickly I say with 106 00:06:41,890 --> 00:06:39,800 all the different things that came and 107 00:06:44,410 --> 00:06:41,900 you imagined in your mind there's one 108 00:06:48,750 --> 00:06:44,420 place where you were all where you all 109 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:48,760 had the same had the same structure and 110 00:06:59,230 --> 00:06:55,330 that is unintended that you have here 111 00:07:04,810 --> 00:06:59,240 you all meet on it and what is that 112 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:04,820 intent what is the intent where we were 113 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:12,860 all coming yes we do to wonder what's 114 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:14,720 going on yes but some of you might have 115 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:17,930 thought yes something I was picking up 116 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:22,190 something so the intent the intent was 117 00:07:31,770 --> 00:07:27,890 that there's something there so we all 118 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:31,780 met on the intent that there be a thing 119 00:07:37,420 --> 00:07:34,360 that's very important it's not nothing 120 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:37,430 the fact that there's has to be some 121 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:41,450 entity there so we were all aiming at 122 00:07:47,020 --> 00:07:44,090 entity hood if you want to call it 123 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:47,030 something that has to be at the end 124 00:07:57,119 --> 00:07:49,790 can't remember my next slide is yes so 125 00:08:01,079 --> 00:07:57,129 if we look at the a oh it's moved 126 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:01,089 here it comes and by the way you were 127 00:08:17,579 --> 00:08:10,379 and when I say the lady the word ladybug 128 00:08:19,169 --> 00:08:17,589 what comes into your mind yes again some 129 00:08:21,389 --> 00:08:19,179 people have an image some people have 130 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:21,399 something that they a memory that comes 131 00:08:24,899 --> 00:08:23,080 back some people might see the word 132 00:08:26,999 --> 00:08:24,909 written up or hear the word or whatever 133 00:08:30,809 --> 00:08:27,009 it is but these are only the triggers of 134 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:30,819 the concept the concept ladybug that you 135 00:08:37,379 --> 00:08:34,180 have in your mind is actually myriad 136 00:08:40,370 --> 00:08:37,389 things coming together small it's red 137 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:40,380 it's spotted the whole idea of insect 138 00:08:46,590 --> 00:08:44,380 alive able to fly what's it doing inside 139 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:46,600 in the room and memories that you have 140 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:49,480 in all sorts of associations of maybe 141 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:51,610 joy and beauty and there are so many 142 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:54,310 things that all fuse together in that 143 00:09:02,460 --> 00:08:57,490 moment when you say when you come to the 144 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:02,470 idea or form the concept ladybug how 145 00:09:09,389 --> 00:09:05,680 does that happen if it were the 146 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:09,399 irrational mind it couldn't do it all 147 00:09:14,540 --> 00:09:11,019 those things we can't think of all at 148 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:14,550 once in a sudden in a split-second and 149 00:09:19,499 --> 00:09:16,930 even if we did it would be a compendium 150 00:09:25,499 --> 00:09:19,509 of things it wouldn't be some one thing 151 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:25,509 fused like it was so what is actually 152 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:26,610 going on 153 00:09:34,290 --> 00:09:31,930 at that moment and the answer to the 154 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:34,300 problem comes back to what we said about 155 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:38,980 intent intent you through the you thro 156 00:09:43,829 --> 00:09:41,199 the intent out of coming up with 157 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:43,839 something and depending on what thing 158 00:09:52,499 --> 00:09:48,970 that is a whole area of qualities sort 159 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:52,509 of change into attributes of that object 160 00:09:59,100 --> 00:09:54,880 and you have the object that you're 161 00:10:02,340 --> 00:09:59,110 talking about and so if I want to be 162 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:02,350 very just a graphic idea the intent is 163 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:04,569 the blue arrow so you're heading down 164 00:10:09,310 --> 00:10:07,600 and you're before anything is there 165 00:10:14,050 --> 00:10:09,320 you're aiming 166 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:14,060 at the at an empty spot saying I'm going 167 00:10:20,259 --> 00:10:16,990 to get some thing to come out there and 168 00:10:22,689 --> 00:10:20,269 then depending on what your which 169 00:10:26,290 --> 00:10:22,699 direction the whole situation is that 170 00:10:31,420 --> 00:10:26,300 thing fills up with meaning really many 171 00:10:32,579 --> 00:10:31,430 meanings relative to what a whatever it 172 00:10:44,129 --> 00:10:32,589 is yes 173 00:10:57,370 --> 00:10:44,139 so M this I think a is what leads us yes 174 00:11:01,090 --> 00:10:57,380 to our to our ladybug now M it's this 175 00:11:04,090 --> 00:11:01,100 whole realm of things that fuse or come 176 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:04,100 to us in the unconscious mind and it's 177 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:05,720 the moment that they fuse into the 178 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:08,720 object that we become conscious for that 179 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:10,730 I'd need to bring some other slides and 180 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:12,529 show you how it works but you know it 181 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:14,480 from double drawings and things like 182 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:17,569 that our mind clicks into one view into 183 00:11:23,319 --> 00:11:20,120 another view and were not conscious of 184 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:23,329 the buildup in any way the fusion the 185 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:24,860 build up whatever you want to call it 186 00:11:30,819 --> 00:11:27,100 the coming together happens out of 187 00:11:32,949 --> 00:11:30,829 consciousness and consciousness awakens 188 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:32,959 with the object with the concept that 189 00:11:43,569 --> 00:11:39,050 arrives so from this we can conclude the 190 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:43,579 mind conscious not conscious and in both 191 00:11:53,470 --> 00:11:49,510 infused with intent produces concepts 192 00:11:57,639 --> 00:11:53,480 there's no essence to the concept but in 193 00:12:02,470 --> 00:11:57,649 acting as if there was one zoom yes the 194 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:02,480 arrow the concept is formed and such is 195 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:09,790 and since time is short 196 00:12:15,310 --> 00:12:13,310 I just one little anecdote for the for 197 00:12:21,010 --> 00:12:15,320 the end if we look at intent and 198 00:12:23,890 --> 00:12:21,020 causality we saw intent as the point the 199 00:12:28,690 --> 00:12:23,900 endpoint is singular and that's the name 200 00:12:33,130 --> 00:12:28,700 of what's going on the beginning a fuses 201 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:33,140 back into the whole system and if we and 202 00:12:44,020 --> 00:12:37,250 this is as much part of reality as is 203 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:44,030 the same structure reversed which is 204 00:12:49,750 --> 00:12:46,850 causality as it's usually described 205 00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:49,760 without going into and so you have the 206 00:12:55,630 --> 00:12:53,440 initial impulse the impulse spreads a 207 00:12:57,730 --> 00:12:55,640 one billiard ball knocks another 208 00:13:00,520 --> 00:12:57,740 billiard ball that one knocks a few 209 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:00,530 others that knocks a few others a energy 210 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:02,480 dissipates in friction and so on and so 211 00:13:07,510 --> 00:13:05,240 forth and in the end of it all it's all 212 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:07,520 dissipating out into the world as the 213 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:11,630 the world's entropy Rises and so we have 214 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:15,770 a form akin to a contrast of foams and 215 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:18,290 it's interesting to note that causality 216 00:13:29,050 --> 00:13:22,610 of course is with the push and intent is 217 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:29,060 being drawn to an end these are just a 218 00:13:36,310 --> 00:13:34,190 few thoughts that come from that that we 219 00:13:39,310 --> 00:13:36,320 have time for right now in peering into 220 00:13:42,970 --> 00:13:39,320 how concepts are formed and taking back 221 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:42,980 from the article in the New Scientist 222 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:47,360 where the person is trying to describe 223 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:50,450 things in terms of what you see and what 224 00:13:57,610 --> 00:13:54,710 you don't see and leaving out according 225 00:14:01,660 --> 00:13:57,620 to the way I understand it the whole 226 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:01,670 impulse of intention and of course it's 227 00:14:20,170 --> 00:14:06,640 subjectivity and with that I conclude 228 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:27,319 yes right it wasn't a thought process it 229 00:14:34,009 --> 00:14:31,170 was a knowing yes it wasn't any cause or 230 00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:34,019 effect it was right how do you explain 231 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:38,220 Oh a there are two things there first of 232 00:14:42,319 --> 00:14:40,110 all if you want an explanation of your 233 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:42,329 intuition in knowing what I was thinking 234 00:14:45,860 --> 00:14:44,370 about there are people here who can 235 00:14:48,530 --> 00:14:45,870 think of that but much better than I 236 00:14:50,030 --> 00:14:48,540 could yes but if you're talking about 237 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:50,040 the fact that you did come up with 238 00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:52,800 something yes sure you came up with 239 00:15:00,769 --> 00:14:55,470 ladybug but the whole idea what drove 240 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:00,779 you to an to an a concrete object yes to 241 00:15:09,470 --> 00:15:05,760 a some kind of entity some thing is they 242 00:15:13,220 --> 00:15:09,480 say the mindset you had of or the intent 243 00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:13,230 of reaching such a single object because 244 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:15,420 the mind can be geared to in another way 245 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,570 so we don't do that yeah yes you yes you 246 00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:26,160 you certainly picked up on something 247 00:15:33,970 --> 00:15:30,959 that was happening in my mind to Peter 248 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:33,980 that was such a wonderfully artistic 249 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:38,510 presentation of the the importance of 250 00:15:47,710 --> 00:15:43,050 intention but III wonder whether you've 251 00:15:52,269 --> 00:15:47,720 left out the other side which is that a 252 00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:52,279 large side of the cone that explores 253 00:15:59,660 --> 00:15:54,720 possibilities and we tend to emphasize 254 00:16:04,069 --> 00:15:59,670 in discussing consciousness uh too often 255 00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:04,079 a specific willed outcome rather than 256 00:16:09,860 --> 00:16:07,040 the distributed attention that explores 257 00:16:12,199 --> 00:16:09,870 possibilities intuitively with the right 258 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:12,209 brain and so forth and I wonder if you 259 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:13,860 would comment on that thank you very 260 00:16:18,380 --> 00:16:16,250 much for bringing it up because I I 261 00:16:20,690 --> 00:16:18,390 couldn't arrive there in the trend 262 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:20,700 minutes that I had and her 15 minutes 263 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:24,480 and yes very definitely this intent at 264 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:26,250 finishing with an end this particular 265 00:16:32,210 --> 00:16:30,300 endpoint is one structure of intent and 266 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:32,220 what you're talking about a right brain 267 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:33,120 or something like that 268 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:35,190 we can look at what it what happens when 269 00:16:40,850 --> 00:16:37,890 you let go of that intent and say and 270 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:40,860 there's another structure forming thank 271 00:16:56,070 --> 00:16:53,460 what about intention 'less processes 272 00:16:59,639 --> 00:16:56,080 such as meditation and so on in which 273 00:17:02,579 --> 00:16:59,649 one tries to remove intention so as to 274 00:17:12,929 --> 00:17:02,589 come to a some sort of a conclusion or 275 00:17:16,919 --> 00:17:12,939 concept or formation the again the 276 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:16,929 intent that I described here is the 277 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:20,370 intent of the denotative conscious a 278 00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:24,250 rational mind and it's also the drive 279 00:17:32,130 --> 00:17:29,200 behind a classical science there is a 280 00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:32,140 letting go of all of that and the 281 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:33,940 letting go of all of that is that it 282 00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:38,550 allows for a whole new possibility of of 283 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:42,340 integration in fact I was going to do an 284 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:44,620 exercise with you for that but I think 285 00:17:51,299 --> 00:17:46,840 we it's it's finished yes in no time now 286 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:51,309 so but a in other words there is such a 287 00:17:56,669 --> 00:17:53,140 thing as letting go to get the big 288 00:17:59,850 --> 00:17:56,679 picture also of stepping back and 289 00:18:06,060 --> 00:17:59,860 wanting to get a feel of a hole because 290 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:06,070 holes don't come through a hole he is 291 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:09,130 not made by the rational mind the 292 00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:11,950 concept lands in in our lap so to speak 293 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:13,140 ready-made 294 00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:15,640 but behind that is the working of the 295 00:18:21,630 --> 00:18:18,520 unconscious mind which is producing it 296 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:21,640 and if we take away the goal of ending 297 00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:24,220 up with some particular thing there are 298 00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:27,660 all sorts of possibilities of the mind